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22nd-Oct-2006 11:05 pm
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What's your take on Mr. Rogers having a foreign substance on his hand in the first inning? I don't know if it was pine tar or not, but it definitely looked like it didn't belong there.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, as I was doing dishes for most of the first inning, but my impression is that he was not tossed from the game because it wasn't pointed out to officials until the bottom of the first, and it was gone by the time he came out for the second. Buck and McCarver had plenty to say about it for the first five or so innings, but have shut up about it for the last little while in order to say inane things about other pressing issues.

So is that it? Will there be any further action on MLB's part? Are you furious? Overjoyed? Indifferent? Grossed out by the fact that pine tar looks like dookie? Inquiring minds want to know.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:12 am (UTC)
Grossed out by the fact that pine tar looks like dookie?


Call me indifferent. If I was a Cardinals fan I'd probably be pissed. If nothing else, it makes up for all the times Julian Tavarez cheated as a Cardinal and no one cared, lol.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:15 am (UTC)
I'm pretty indifferent too, since I'm not a fan of either team, but I keep thinking how livid I would be if my team was on the wrong end of a cheating pitcher.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:16 am (UTC)
It'd be awesome if the Cards made it a George Brett moment...

Kenny Rogers running out screaming, arms flailin'

I bet they'll be as bitter about Rogers' using it (WHEN the Cardinals lose the series) as they were angry when the Royals beat them.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:24 am (UTC)
A Brett reenactment would have been fantastic.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:22 am (UTC)
I still think it would be funny if it was dookie.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:23 am (UTC)
That would maybe be the funniest thing to ever happen in postseason baseball.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:44 am (UTC)
My thought is this. Yes I'm pissed and I am a Cards fan. obviously. The rule states that a player with a foriegn substance on his hand is to be ejected and suspended for 10 games. Why didn't this happen tonight. Why was he allowed to wash it off and then after that why did he not take his glove off in the dug out? Why did he shake hands with his glove on? Maybe he put the pine tar in the glove?

A George Brett moment would have been awsome.
23rd-Oct-2006 07:42 am (UTC)
Uh, because he puts his patching hand in the glove, obviously.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:47 am (UTC)
I'm a Dodger fan and I'm pissed. You shouldn't get away with that shit in the World Series.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:48 am (UTC)
I think it's bullshit. They just ran a video package showing Kenny Rogers having this 'substance'(which is clearly pine tar) on his hands against the Yankees, Athletics, and Cardinals.

Rogers just said that the substance on his hand was a 'large clump of dirt'. My ass. The A's complained that Rogers had the substance on the bill of his cap as well.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:49 am (UTC)
Like you said in the comments, I'd be pissed if it was *my* team, but eh. It's not OMG THE WORST THING KENNY ROGERS HAS EVER DONE in his illustrious life. Plus, it was fucking freezing in Detroit. So, he was cheating, but I'd personally be more pissed if he was using the pine tar in the summer or warmer temperatures for a better grip.

My understanding is that when it's cold, you're grip isn't as good, so it's cheating, but not monster cheating.

But, then again, if this was Greg Maddox (someone *I* personally don't like) we were talking about against the Yankees, I'd be beating things in anger.
23rd-Oct-2006 03:54 am (UTC)
So there are degrees of cheating in your world? Fun. Way to uphold the integrity of the game!
23rd-Oct-2006 04:05 am (UTC)
STeve Palermo sounds like a total damn tool, explaining how water and dirt makes mud, and that players play on dirt.
23rd-Oct-2006 04:12 am (UTC)
23rd-Oct-2006 04:23 am (UTC)
Well, supposing it was pine tar or whatever...and he washed it off after the first...he still pitched absolutely amazingly for the rest of the game. I don't think it would have been THAT different if he hadn't had whatever it was on his hand for the first 3 outs. *shrug*

If he really had had the pine tar for the first two series...I would be extremely disappointed. He's one of my favorites players and if he really did cheat...blah. I don't really want to think of that.
23rd-Oct-2006 04:59 am (UTC)
Yeah, but if the umpires had kicked him out (like they should have) the game would have been completely different.
23rd-Oct-2006 04:56 am (UTC)
Bud Selig, as always, will do absolutely nothing because he doesn't have a sack. Rogers should be suspended for the rest of the postseaason.
23rd-Oct-2006 05:00 am (UTC)
23rd-Oct-2006 05:46 am (UTC)
I know there's more to it than just this and all, but you know that the only reason that its any kind of big deal is because FOX was raping everyone in the ass about it throughout the game because they need something to get them attention. Nobody other than die-hard baseball fans is watching a Tigers-Cards WS without a controversy.
23rd-Oct-2006 05:55 am (UTC)
i'm not a cards fan and i'm furious. i don't understand why he wasn't ejected. (yes, it does look like dookie, but whatever).

if it were one of my pitchers, i'd be ashamed and angry. i don't think this is fair, and nothing will happen to rogers. watch.
23rd-Oct-2006 09:56 pm (UTC)
Rules 8.02(a)(2) through 8.02(a)(6) Comment: If a pitcher violates either Rule 8.02(a)(2) or Rule 8.02(a)(3) and, in the judgment of the umpire, the pitcher did not intend, by his act, to alter the characteristics of a pitched ball, then the umpire may, in his discretion, warn the pitcher in lieu of applying the penalty. <~~ that seems to be what happened.
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